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    Derren Brown — A Master Mentalist on Magic, Mind Reading, Ambition, Stoicism, Religion, and More (#776)

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    “Gather yourself afresh.”
    — Derren Brown

    Derren Brown (@derrenbrown) is a psychological illusionist who can predict, suggest, and even control human behavior. Starting his TV career with shows such as Mind Control and Trick or Treat for Channel 4 (the UK’s equivalent of PBS), Derren has combined spectacular illusions with insights into how we see the world and those around us, or expect to see them. Rather than guard the mystery behind his illusions and manipulations, he lays bare his techniques and demonstrates how the human mind works.

    A prolific creator and performer, Derren has appeared in blockbuster stage and television shows alike, including the sold-out Broadway run of his one-man show Secret, his Olivier Award-winning tour of Svengali, and his Netflix specials The Push, Miracle, and the harrowing Sacrifice, in which he tries to manipulate an ordinary person into taking a bullet for a stranger.

    Derren is the author of multiple books, including Happy: Why More or Less Everything Is Absolutely Fine and A Book of Secrets: Finding Comfort in a Complex World. Derren’s new tour, Only Human, materializes on stages across the UK beginning April of 2025.

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    The transcript of this episode can be found here. Transcripts of all episodes can be found here.

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    #776: Derren Brown — A Master Mentalist on Magic, Mind Reading, Ambition, Stoicism, Religion, and MoreDerren Brown

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    Want to hear another episode with someone who delights audiences with feats of magic? Listen to my conversation with Simon Coronel, in which we discuss radical earliness, neurodivergence, categories of stage magic, late (but timely) blooming, mentalism misgivings, jigsaw puzzles, spending time at the Magic Castle in Hollywood, and much more.

    What was your favorite quote or lesson from this episode? Please let me know in the comments.

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    SHOW NOTES

    • [00:06:45] Sacrifice, The Push, and Apocalypse.
    • [00:12:21] Derren’s transition from student to magician.
    • [00:14:43] How Martin Taylor inspired Derren to pursue hypnosis.
    • [00:16:42] Strange audience reactions to hypnosis.
    • [00:20:00] Hypnosis, mentalism, and cold reading.
    • [00:24:34] How a TV medium uses hot reading techniques.
    • [00:26:22] How can someone learn to be a healthy skeptic?
    • [00:34:24] How learning magic influenced Derren’s skepticism and faith.
    • [00:40:57] Why did Derren wait until his 30s to come out?
    • [00:43:18] Finding meaning.
    • [00:47:06] High status struggles.
    • [00:48:20] Making sense of the human experience.
    • [00:56:59] Ambition and productivity.
    • [01:02:25] The counterintuitive assembly of Derren’s creative projects.
    • [01:09:17] Ensuring ethics and safety in TV social experiments.
    • [01:15:50] Suggestion as self-defense.
    • [01:20:27] Why Derren takes care not to abuse his superpowers in real life.
    • [01:24:01] Recommended reading.
    • [01:28:02] TED Talks in treacherous terrain.
    • [01:29:53] A new belief or habit that has improved Derren’s life.
    • [01:33:27] Derren’s billboard and parting thoughts.

    MORE DERREN BROWN QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW

    “Life’s difficult. Life has this centripetal quality. It brings us to this difficult central point. The thing that makes us feel most isolated is the one thing that actually connects us the most.”
    — Derren Brown

    “If you want to keep the seat next to you free on a train, don’t put your bag there, because that’s what everybody does. Instead, pat the seat and nod and smile at people. No one’s going to sit next to you.”
    — Derren Brown

    “The experience of something bigger than yourself is how we find meaning.”
    — Derren Brown

    “I think just how you make peace with life that’s not always going to go your way, that’s the project, that’s a successful life.”
    — Derren Brown

    “If you’ve got all the energy and self-promotion, but no talent to back it up, it’s not going to be very helpful. And if you’ve got all the talent in the world, but no energy of getting it out there for people to see, that’s also not great.”
    — Derren Brown

    “Sometimes a bit of conflict is important because it isn’t really about conflict, is it? It’s about being able to have some faith in what you actually are and want to say and stand for.”
    — Derren Brown

    “Gather yourself afresh.”
    — Derren Brown

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